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Ate of DK · Mar 10, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

GWx2
Bots
Bots
JQ
Z-Keys
Bots
Bots
Botting

Yes, people with 6 accounts to get more zaishen keys every month. It's good they are going down in price. I don't know of anyone who doesn't have 2 guildwars accounts and they also count every chapter as a single sold account.

Add some maths here, gwchars.de has many users and it shows that 67% of all players owns all chapters. Since gwchars.de has a lot of users I think it save to take this number global. But not perfect.

(5.800.000 / 100) x 67 = 3.886.000 : 3 = 1.295.333
That's the amount of players who own 3 chapters and this 67% of all sold accounts!

Means there are 1.914.000 remaining. This group consists of:
- People who have more than one account! And that's a lot. On GWO there is even one with 26 accounts! So yeah...
- Bots
- Zaishen Key accounts that are bought for 10 euro at the mediamarkt.
- Banned accounts.

So my simple conclusion is that there are ~2.250.000 individual players for GW and a lot allready quit and gave their account data to friends for extra zaishen keys.

Wrath of m0o · Mar 10, 2009, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

I don't know of anyone who doesn't have 2 guildwars accounts

Now you do.

Im so glad i just finished my dual saviors, no more bots for me.
0-12 Luxon in 2 months was such a pain.

Lonesamurai · Mar 10, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

I don't know of anyone who doesn't have 2 guildwars accounts

I STILL only have 1 account and have done since I started it back in the E3 beta

Sjeng · Mar 10, 2009, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

- Zaishen Key accounts that are bought for 10 euro at the mediamarkt.

RLY!? Last time I checked they were €15,- each. *runs off to MM*

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

0-12 Luxon in 2 months was such a pain.

OMG what did you DO all that time?

**cosyfiep** · Mar 10, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

hubby has only 1 account, his brother has only one account (which he rarely uses seeing he works 2 jobs).....lots of people have only one account.

Shadowmoon · Mar 10, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

I think the best evidence of if XTH is the key to the stagnating sells (in terms of a dying game it a good thing) will be the when sells are reported for the second quarter of this year, zkeys should continue to drop unless they is a change that makes people interested in the zchest again, so the bang for your buck will drop.

snaek · Mar 10, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by ate of dk

(5.800.000 / 100) x 67 = 3.886.000 : 3 = 1.295.333
That's the amount of players who own 3 chapters and this 67% of all sold accounts!

you forgot eotn. yes it is an expansion pack, but the quarterly report does not discriminate; there are 4 separate games.

Ate of DK · Mar 11, 2009, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by snaek

you forgot eotn. yes it is an expansion pack, but the quarterly report does not discriminate; there are 4 separate games.

I didn't knew that. If that's true then the expected number of individual players is even lower than in my previous post.

Dakka Dakka · Mar 11, 2009, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

I seriously doubt that there are almost 6 million "active" accounts on Guild Wars. I think that number is the number of game keys activated, as no account is ever "inactive" in Guild Wars since once you're a member, then you're forever a member. After all, there are no monthly fees, so there's no reason to ever "shut off" your account.

For instance, I had 10 friends that live in my town that were the biggest GW fans. Since the game launch, I am the last person still playing on a regular basis. Some of them quit so long ago that they could not remember their passwords anymore and can't login anymore.

Also, I wonder if that number takes the number of accounts that are banned on a supposed-weekly basis in Guild Wars. According to Regina and other ANet reps, they ban something like 1000 accounts every single week for gold selling and botting. Or that's what they said to us.

At the very least, the chart implies that the number of people playing over time has grown to a number so huge that every town should be busting at the seams with players, and anybody can tell that this is not true. World of Warcraft has over 10 million players actively playing (or at least PAYING) every month to play it. Xfire does show a huge number of users and hours for the game, so it must be true. Look at the numbers for Guild Wars. It's nowhere near that amount... To say that there's six million people playing on Guild Wars would be the greatest exaggeration ever told.

But the point isn't that there are almost 6 million ACTIVE players. But that the account numbers still grow, thus revenue still grows. Once Anet has your money they really don't care if you play or not, cynical I know but true

Clarissa F · Mar 11, 2009, 05:00 PM // 17:00

For one thing, to those arguing how many bots there are, 6 million of WoW subs are in Asia, mostly China. You telling me they are all lovers of WoW? Second, If Anet agreed with Snaek et al, and felt the game were dead, I would think they wouldn't be taking the time to add more content to GW2. I mean, why do that if you need a new game to make Anet some money?

For another, go into LA, Kamadan, or Kaineng any time of day and tell me it's dead. Hell, hop into Fort Aspenwood, even. The game may be old and dead to you, but unlike what your huge egos might say, casual players make or break a game, not grinders who eat the game whole after a few months.

DreamWind · Mar 11, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

For another, go into LA, Kamadan, or Kaineng any time of day and tell me it's dead. Hell, hop into Fort Aspenwood, even. The game may be old and dead to you, but unlike what your huge egos might say, casual players make or break a game, not grinders who eat the game whole after a few months.

Go into any outpost besides the few you mentioned at any time other than primetime and tell me GW is alive. Hell go into any outpost besides the few you mentioned at ANY time and try to get a non-AI team together and tell me the game isn't dead.

Fril Estelin · Mar 11, 2009, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Go into any outpost besides the few you mentioned at any time other than primetime and tell me GW is alive. Hell go into any outpost besides the few you mentioned at ANY time and try to get a non-AI team together and tell me the game isn't dead.

Given that GW is instanced, you'd have to do more than simply just watch people at a given time ot get a good idea of how many people are still playing the game...

DreamWind · Mar 11, 2009, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Given that GW is instanced, you'd have to do more than simply just watch people at a given time ot get a good idea of how many people are still playing the game...

It doesn't matter how many are playing the game if I don't see anybody playing the game.

Anet could easily tell us how many are still playing the game. You ever wonder why they won't?

Gigashadow · Mar 12, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Anet could easily tell us how many are still playing the game. You ever wonder why they won't?

Why would they? What is in it for them to give you this information? Also, all companies would LOVE to know how many subscriptions all their competitors have.

DreamWind · Mar 12, 2009, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Why would they? What is in it for them to give you this information? Also, all companies would LOVE to know how many subscriptions all their competitors have.

Why wouldn't they? Everybody knows how many subscribers WoW has. They could easily prove the "GW is dead" rumors wrong. But Anet won't release the active player number because it would shock everybody how low it probably is.

Gigashadow · Mar 12, 2009, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Why wouldn't they? Everybody knows how many subscribers WoW has. They could easily prove the "GW is dead" rumors wrong. But Anet won't release the active player number because it would shock everybody how low it probably is.

Why should they need to prove wrong "GW is dead" rumors made by internet forum posters? Do you think that if they release their proprietary information to the public that Guild Wars is going to have a sudden surge in sales? No? Then why should they do it?

Pretty much no MMO other than WoW releases this information. Even before WoW was released, most games kept this confidential.

Ate of DK · Mar 12, 2009, 12:56 AM // 00:56

I won't be playing GW2, Anet stabs veteran players in the back way to often.

I like PvP, if I want PvE I go play a Final Fantasy, at least the story is worked out there.

DreamWind · Mar 12, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Why should they need to prove wrong "GW is dead" rumors made by internet forum posters? Do you think that if they release their proprietary information to the public that Guild Wars is going to have a sudden surge in sales? No? Then why should they do it?

Because their game is dead until they tell us otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Pretty much no MMO other than WoW releases this information. Even before WoW was released, most games kept this confidential.

The numbers of many other MMOs (such as Everquest, Eve Online etc etc) have always been known. GW is just about the only MMO I can definitively say I don't know how many active players there are.

Gigashadow · Mar 12, 2009, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Because their game is dead until they tell us otherwise.

How are those two things even related? It is what it is. One could just as easily claim it's alive until they tell you otherwise.

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

The numbers of many other MMOs (such as Everquest, Eve Online etc etc) have always been known. GW is just about the only MMO I can definitively say I don't know how many active players there are.

If you look at this article (graph mid page) you can see that most games don't provide official numbers. And no, EQ does not provide current numbers, they keep referencing only their peak subscriptions.

http://t-machine.org/index.php/2008/...e-game-or-mmo/

DreamWind · Mar 12, 2009, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

How are those two things even related? It is what it is. One could just as easily claim it's alive until they tell you otherwise.

No they couldn't. All I have to do is go to 95% of the outposts in the game and prove them wrong. The game is dead until somebody proves to me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

If you look at this article (graph mid page) you can see that most games don't provide official numbers. And no, EQ does not provide current numbers, they keep referencing only their peak subscriptions.

http://t-machine.org/index.php/2008/...e-game-or-mmo/

The point is we have a general idea or estimate of the amount of players on many MMOs. With GW we don't have anything...all we have is accounts sold number which is worthless for the purpose of determining whether or not the game is dead. (Unless your definition of dead is when the server goes down which is pretty crap if you ask me.)